Saturday, February 9, 2008
Author's final comments
Well, that is my blog on Revelation. Already it has started some discussions before I was even finished. Great. I will continue to look in on comments and respond to them as time permits so keep those questions, debates, disagreements coming. "Iron sharpens iron" - so the scripture says. I hope many people start to comment on things I wrote and on the comments of others.
The danger when a writer or interpreter of the Bible does a study like this is that for some time they have to "live in their own head" with their own subjective feelings and opinions. I am no different to anyone else in this so there is bound to be some things I have said which are just garbage. As they get debated (if I change my opinion) I will modify the text of this blog, or at least make sure the debate is noted in the text so others can refer to important comments (even comments I don't agree with).
One thing is for sure - I don't know everything about Revelation - no one does - "we only know in part (1 Cor 13). By God's grace I have been led to read and study various approaches that have, for me, opened my eyes to what I have written here.
Presumably Google, in their generousity, will allow this blog to stay as long as I want (i.e. for ever) so as time goes by and I gain understanding I will modify what is written here. So keep coming back to this blog - things might change quite dramatically on it over time. But then, they may not - I could already be right. But then - no!
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This blog is actually part 2 of a three part blog - the first part is also online and I will return to it now to complete it. It is an overview of Genesis to Revelation. In reality one can't understand Revelation if one does not see how it fits into the whole panorama of God's dealings with mankind. My observation over 40 years has been that those who dig into Revelation without a good Bible overview end up with weird ideas. Revelation is the wrapping up, climax and conclusion of things that have been going on since the beginning of time. Have a read of this other blog if you have never done such an overview of scripture.
The third part I will write eventually - it will be a development of some of the other prophetic parts of scripture.
An Idea for a Bible study:
Walk Thru the Bible Ministries (also called "world Teach") have produced two seminars covering OT and NT called "Walk thru the Old Testament" and "Walk thru the New Testament.
At the end of each seminar a comparison of Genesis 1-3 is made with Revelation 20-22.
Why not do this comparison as a group bible study to introduce the people to Revelation.
Then take them through Revelation.
You are welcome to clip and paste these notes into some sort of document (e.g. Word) for reproduction for a Bible study. Most of what is in here wasn't mine to start with - I have borrowed from an untold number of writers (most of whom I have forgotten). The originality I have added was putting it together my own way. Please be fair and don't make money out of my work. There is a danger in trying to do so in that you don't know how much I have taken from others and where it is (neither do I now). Most has not been acknowledged in the text. If you try to sell it (it's not that good) you might find several other authors suing you for breaking copyright.
I don't care if you disagree with me - my aim has been to make you think in new ways about an old book. If I have succeeded in that then have been successful.
Blessings on You
John.
Revelation Chapter 22 The New Jeruslam, contd.
VISION 7: - REVELATION 17:1- 22:5: - SEVEN LAST VISIONS.
Psalm 97:4; 46:2
Genesis 2 - a Garden of Eden.
The New Order is to be in some ways a restoration of the perfection of the Old. Hence we see a new Garden of Eden and in it the trees found in the original Garden.
John 4:10-14 - the River is the Holy Spirit.
Ezekiel 47:1-12; Zechariah 14:8.
The "river of life" is a symbolic way of saying that death and its results are no longer present.
Thus suggesting the God is the source of this life.
Note that there is no real difference between the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb. In this kingdom there is no competition between the rulers, no jealousy, no internal strife or plotting of takeover by the under rulers.
We saw that there is only one street and it depicts the life of absolute obedience to God and Holiness that the Redeemed have. Here we see in the middle of this street the River, the Holy Spirit. Clearly we are intended to see that the Holy Spirit is central to this obedience and walk of the Redeemed.
We are probably meant to understand this to mean there is a row of trees on each side of the river.
Genesis 2:9, 3:22.
It was found in the original Garden of Eden, but man was barred from it because of sin.
Apocalyptic consistently prophesied its restoration in the
Enoch 25:22ff; 4 Ezra 7:53, 8:52; 2 Enoch 8:3.
Proverbs 3:18 tells us that the wisdom of God is a tree of Life to us, and we are told in
1 Corinthians 1:31 that Christ is the wisdom of God.
We are also told that Christ is the "life of God" and he brought this to mankind.
In other words what we have here pictured is the full manifestation and consummation of the work of Christ. Where there was only a restricted availability of this in the Garden of Eden, now there are enough trees to supply the whole of mankind.
Ezekiel 47:12.
Is this a different kind of fruit every month? Anyway it doesn't matter - John's intention is to indicate that the tree is always loaded with fruit - the wisdom of God is never short. We do not have to wait for it to bud, blossom, develop and grow. Unlike trees today it never goes through the yearly cycle of death, thus showing that death is finally overcome.
Greek literally = "health giving"
But there won't be any sickness so this cannot mean healing in the sense of "from sickness". Rather it means that they are "health giving", i.e. they promote well being and enjoyment.
(ii) Again the message is both future and present. There is a wisdom of God available through Christ NOW! It is made manifest by the Holy Spirit in the Church. It can bring "healing" to the nations.
God's wisdom, if lived in now, will prevent sickness and the curse affecting our lives.
The answers facing the politicians of the world have answers, but God is going to demonstrate that these answers are only available from himself through the Holy Spirit in the Church. In the eternal state where such problems arise, as they will in any society, instead of the problems breeding violence and envy thy will be solved by the ready access to the leaves of the tree of life.
Zechariah 14:11.
This is a reference back to Genesis 3 where the curse was put on earth because of men's sin.
1 John 3:2; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 1 Corinthians 15:49.
"and his name shall be on their foreheads"
Revelation 3:12, 13:16, 14:1 - the 144,000.
It means his character and power has become ours’.
The illumination of God, meaning his divine inspiration and wisdom, is the key to the reign of the saints. Without his wisdom they cannot rule.
22:6-21: - EPILOGUE.
With the description of the Bride the seven series of visions is ended. As the book began with an introduction, now it is ended with a conclusion.
Revelation 3:14; 19:11.
Again it is affirmed that REVELATION is to do with future events, it is a prophecy in the true sense. That it will happen is guaranteed by the fact that it is revealed to John by "he who is faithful and true".
Literally = "bondservants"
Revelation is a difficult book, but its meaning is not hidden, it is a REVELATION not a HIDING. But the message of the book is not clear to all - only those who are "bondservants" have the capacity to understand it. One has to have bound himself to Christ in love as a slave for life.
Revelation 2:16, 3:11.
The book is a warning, a call to fidelity to Christ in the face of the workings of Satan in the world. Hence we need to heed it - take note of its message, allow it to challenge our hearts and prepare us for the inevitable persecution that will come.
In contrast to the prophets of the OT whose message was sealed John's is left open for all to understand. Failure to understand then is not the fault of the book or its author, rather it speaks of the condition of the reader.
John's prophecy is not for some remote generation, but for his own and for subsequent generations of the church. Though it has a final and full fulfilment at the end of the age, its principles and truths have an application to every age while Antichrist's forces continue to work.
Beginning and the End.
C/f 1:8 21;6.
"outside the city", i.e. in Hell.
"dogs"
Deuteronomy 23:18; Matthew 7;27; Revelation 21:8 -all those who choose to life as dogs instead of men.
REV 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Probably the whole verse is an invitation to those who need salvation.
This is the only book of the Bible with such a warning – yet surprisingly enough it is really the only book of the Bible that people consistently add to and take away from. How strange…
Revelation Chapter 21. Vision 7. New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem
VISION 7: - REVELATION 17:1- 22:5: - SEVEN LAST VISIONS.
Vision (vi) - 21:1-8: - A NEW CREATION.
Are the present heavens and earth destroyed, or is this only a renovation?
Apocalyptic writing in the Bible seems to give the impression that at Christ's coming the heavens are destroyed, "rolled up like a scroll" (Revelation 6:14; Matthew 24:29; 2 Peter 3:10). In fact Peter seems to indicate the destruction of the earth at that time also. This seems to fit with OT prophecy which generally assumes that the coming of God will result in a destruction of the existing order.
This may not actually mean the destruction of the materials therein however - these could be reused.
The idea of the skies being a "scroll" is again an astrological concept. The stars depict the story of Redemption. Now that the story is complete and fulfilled there is no need for the message to be there, it is written on the hearts of the Redeemed.
The old heavens and earth have been "rolled up" (20:11). This is not a judgement resulting in destruction as matter is not inherently evil. Rather the judgement results in recreation. The OT prophets have this idea:
Isaiah 11:6-9 - the old order is regenerated as it stands with the curse lifted.
Isaiah 65:17 - a new heaven and earth.
2 Peter 3:13.
2 Corinthians 5:17 James 1:10 Romans 8:19-23 Matthew 24:29.
Well - No. God's intention was to create a people who would reign on earth (Genesis 1). The Fall spoilt this plan, but Redemption is designed to bring us back to the position we fell from, and then add to it. God's original intention has never changed, and we are to be a people who eternally reign on earth, and from earth throughout the rest of creation. Heaven will come to earth, in that God's presence will be there with us, but earth it will still be.
With the old creation the corruption began in the hearts of men and spread from there to affect the whole of the creation. With the new creation it too begins in the hearts of men (2 Corinthians 5:17) and moves from there to the whole creation. Men's bodies have been resurrected and transformed with he coming of Christ, now the rest of creation which has been awaiting its release from bondage gets its desire (Romans 8:20-23).
If Hell is created out of
The answer is we do not know. We have to affirm the eternal punishment of the unbeliever and of Satan so there can be no annihilation of them hence Hell must continue. However in the final analysis we can only say what we know - they will be "renewed" in some way. What God does with Hell is his business.
For the Jew the continuous movement of the sea was a symbol of restlessness and rebellion. The incarnate monster of evil (ch 13) was thought to have a suitable home there. Therefore in the new order it will be non-existent. C/f 15:2 where the sea has been transformed to solid "like crystal".
Personally I have some issues with this. I live by the sea, I love the sea. It has a beauty all of its own. I am going to put in a request for a bit of sea near where I live in the New Creation.
Hebrews 12:22-24; Galatians 4:6; Philippians 3:20.
Not a physical entity, but a representation of the people of God living in community harmony.
There is a sense in which the city of
However we are intended to see here a greater manifestation of that truth. Here we see the perfection of it. Though the Church militant on earth now is ideally a united community, it is in reality racked by divisions and internal dissension. What we see here is the completed Bride, or Body, of Christ - now with each member perfectly fitting into God's plan and flowing together.
The Wedding ceremony has just finished.
REV 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Twenty one times in Revelation, this is the last.
"behold the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them and they shall be his people".
"dwelling"
Greek = skene, the LXX for the Hebrew mishkan = tent.
The tent, or tabernacle, was the symbol of God's abiding presence with
John has therefore chosen a symbol that shows this is the fulfilment of all the promises of God to his people, both
Exodus 19:5.
Leviticus 26:12; Jeremiah 7:23, 11:4; Hosea 1:9; Romans 9:25; 1 Peter 2:10.
Exodus 3:12; Isaiah 7:14 (Emmanuel); Zechariah 8:23; Matthew 1:23.
Revelation 7:17; Isaiah 25:6-8.
I.e. this prophecy can be relied on to come to pass.
Revelation 3:14, 19:11 - title given to Christ.
Revelation 16:17.
Literally "they are done", i.e. the prophecies.
c/f 1:18, 22:13, 1:17, 2:8.
I.e. the ground and goal of their being.
The way is open to all who seek God.
In this age though we seek God and find a measure of satisfaction in him, contact with him seems to only increase our thirst for him. In the age to come that thirst shall be finally quenched.
It is not for everyone, only for the conqueror. However for those of the faith it is theirs’ of right. It is their inheritance.
"son"
(i) A kingdom title (2 Samuel 7:14). I.e. we shall be his coregeants.
(ii) A title of Inheritance. We will have legal and possessional rights to the fullness of God.
We are told that John is commanded to "Come and see the Bride, the wife of the Lamb". But in reality what John sees is “a city”, a group of people bound together in corporate covenant relationship. Where we saw
This is the picture we see of the Church in the Astrological signs also. Cassiopeia, the enthroned woman, a decan of Aries, The Consummation of God's Blessings. This decan pictures the people of God, the Church, enthroned, dressed in her wedding finery. On her right stands the star crowned king holding out his sceptre towards her. She is his wife.
One of the archangels, probably Gabriel as he seems to have this role of bringing revelation elsewhere in Scripture.
i.e. in a prophetic "trance".
The mountain is not the viewpoint from which John sees the city (as in Matthew 3), rather the mountain is the site of the city.
Ezekiel 40:2 - Mt Zion.
Enoch 18:8; Psalm 48:2; Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1; Zechariah 8:23, 14:16
Daniel 2:35,44 - a great mountain, or political empire.
This is not a panorama, but a detailed inspection.
C/f Ezekiel 28:12-16 - the
John is asked to come and see “the bride, the wife of the Lamb” and he is shown a “city”. It is important here that we do some real hard thinking. The clear identification here is that “the bride = the city”. This is indisputable. Thus what John carries on to describe is not in any way meant to be taken to be a literal description of a literal city. He is talking in pictures, symbols. The things described are all symbols of something else.
A radiance of light (c/f Ezekiel 43:5). No sin is present now to destroy or interrupt the lustre.
angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of
Important for ancient cities, it marked the limits of security against outside attack. The emphasis here then is that the wall is so high as to be unscalable, impregnable. For those inside the city, i.e. who are its citizens, there is total security and safety.
The gates speak of the "way in". Though the wall is so high there is no restriction of access. No matter how the sojourner approaches the city he can find a convenient way in.
Ezekiel sees the gates as exits for
As gatekeepers, guards to prevent entry of those not qualified.
Each gate has an angel, hence each tribe has an angel, just as each Church had an angel (ch 2&3).
On the gates, or on the angels? The clause probably refers back to both. The identification of the angel with the tribe is thus complete. He is the guardian angel of each tribe.
The city is the
This suggests that, like
This refers back to the setting up of the camp of
(1) Each of the names of the twelve tribes had symbolic meaning which was not just related to the birth of the patriarch, but also was prophetic of the history of the tribe he founded.
(2) Each of the Constellations depicts a particular aspect of Christ's work in symbol. (See Seiss, Bullinger).
(3) Each of the stones as symbolic meaning (see Slemming:- "These are the Garments").
Hence it is not unlikely that we are to see the Bride as being divided into twelve subgroups, each one reflecting some aspect of the full glory and work of Christ.
Ephesians 2:20.
Apostles have a particular foundation ministry. They are Church planters. The Twelve hold a special place in that they planted the whole Church, they were the basis of it all. On their teaching and example the rest of the Church is founded.
Note that there are twelve foundational Apostles, not eleven. We are meant to see Matthias included in this number, replacing Judas Iscariot. The twelve foundations all had to be there at the beginning.
Interestingly enough, though this city includes the faithful of all ages, BC and AD, the foundation of the city is the Apostles. God does not view things historically the same way as us. What we are seeing here is a spiritual reality, not a being which we can historically identify its growth.
C/f Revelation 10,11; Ezekiel 40:3ff.
A standard measure of distance. The aim of the measuring is to show the perfection of the city, it is complete, nothing is missing. It is not intended to show that the city is limited, or that access is restricted, in any way.
(i) A cube?, like the Holy of Holies.
(ii) A pyramid?, (as portrayed in Baker "Visions Beyond the Veil").
Usually it is understood to be a cube and I think this is probably correct because of the computation of the dimensions which follow.
We are not intended to see a literal city on the side of the earth sticking out 1500 miles. That is not the intention of the vision here. Rather it is a symbol.
10 = completeness, hence 10 cubed is perfect completion. It is related to testing. So the Church is seen here perfected mature through testing.
1000 = indefiniteness, uncountable numbers.
The number relates back to Revelation 7 where there are 144,000, twelve thousand from each of the twelve tribes of
i.e. 12 edges x12,000 stadia = 144,000.
144,000 is the external dimensions of the Heavenly Jerusalem. All of God’s people are contained within the 144,000.
The impact John really wants to give us is that the numbers are uncountable. There is a multitude of the Redeemed, but none is missing. When measured the city is complete, not one part of it that should be there is missing.
Clearly the wall is not literal. A wall of only 72 yards in thickness could not extend upwards 1500 miles.
144 = 12x12.
=
Together the people of God provide strength and security to each other.
A symbol of God's purity. Probably diamond is meant.
It is hard to imagine gold that one can see through. It may be that the reference is not to glass that one looks through as we imagine in the 20th Century, rather it could have the idea of glass that one looks INTO, i.e. a mirror. In other words this phrase could be about the purity of the reflection of the city. There is no dirt or grime to mar the reflection of God's Glory that reflects off it. The mirrors of old were made from polished bronze which tarnished quickly in the air. This eternal mirror of God's glory is made from gold, which will not tarnish. Its value is inestimable.
The meaning of the symbol then is that God's people have a transparency, a purity - there is no flaw of sin or character that will in any way impede the transmission or reflection of the light of God. Their righteousness is perfected.
REV 21:20 the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.
6 5 4 3 2 1 10 11 12 7 8 9.
Stone---------------------- Zodiac Sign-- Colour.
jasper/Diamond ------ Pisces---------- clear
sapphire------------------ Aquarius ---- blue
smaragdos/emerald -Sagittarius--- bright green
sardonyx/onyx--------- Scorpio-------- red and white
sardius/carnelion----- Libra------------ reddish or honey
chrysolyte---------------- Virgo------------ transparent gold
beryl------------------------ Leo ------------- green
topaz----------------------- Cancer--------- yellow green
chrysoprase ------------ Gemini--------- green
hyacinth/jacinth-------Taurus --------- violet
amythist------------------ Aries------------- purple
C/f Isaiah 54:11 Ezekiel 28:13 LXX.
-------------------------------------------EAST.
-------Issachar ------------------------
-------(Cancer)------------------------- (Leo)-------- ------------------------ (Virgo)
-----NORTH. -------------------------------------------------------------------SOUTH.
-----Naphthali---------------------------------------------------------------- Simeon
----(Capricorn)--------------------------------------------------------------- (Pisces)
--------------------------------Levi (Libra) surrounded the
-------Dan--------------------- Tabernacle------------------------------- Reuben
----(Scorpio)------------------------------------------------------------------- (Aquarius)
------Asher----------------------------------------------------------------------Gad
---(Sagittarius)---------------------------------------------------------------(Aries)
----Benjamin--------------------Ephraim---------------------------------Manasseh
-----(Gemini)------------------------------------------ (Taurus)
------------------------------------------------WEST.
Literally "carbuncles"
The Talmud said that God would make the gates of
Pearls are made by the suffering of the oyster. Objects of great beauty and value are made through suffering. This is also how we are to be perfected, "It is by many tribulations that we shall enter the
Singular. Only one street, symbolising the fact that there is only one way to God's presence, through Jesus Christ.
Ancient belief was that the street of heaven was a sort of "golden milky way" in the heavens.
Again the "gold as transparent as glass" appears. Here the meaning is clearly that the way the Redeemed walk in the eternal state is completely pure and holy.
C/f Hebrews 9:23-25 - Christ's death has done away with the need for a temple. A temple symbolises the presence of God, we do not need a symbol when we are in heaven as we have the reality. In fact we are the
The city and the temple are really the same thing. They are two metaphors for the same thing. The emphasis here is that God is so present that men do not have to go anywhere special to find him.
Isaiah 60:1,19; 24:23; Apoc Abraham 17; 2 Esdras 7:40-43.
will bring their splendor into it.
"the nations"
What are they doing here? Has John forgotten that he is describing the perfect order in the new heavens and earth? Why have these old divisions?
What John is trying to convey to us is:
(i) In the Eternal order the knowledge of God will be universal, not just limited to a certain nationality.
(ii) Man was created in "the image of God", but no single man can fully reflect the full image of God. Rather the differences between nationalities and cultures are parts of the image of God which we bear. In the
Revelation 7:9 - in the New Order nationality is not lost.
Isaiah 60:3,11 - John is clearly dependent here on Isaiah 60. Yet the nations play a large part.
However we need to remember that the "coming down of the city" is not just something that happens in the distant future. It is a reality happening all the time wherever the people of God gather. John is hinting that there is a light, a divine knowledge, in the Church that could transform the world. The problem in the world is not so much the world, but the fact that Christians fail to realise that they have the answers form God. We get bogged down in a narrow minded religious viewpoint which becomes very "me centred", when God wants us to realise that he has blessed us so that the world can be blessed.
"kings of the earth"
Presumably the people of God who are "kings and priests" are meant. The earth is our inheritance, so we will be the "kings of the earth."
REV 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.
Darkness being the symbol of evil it has no place where evil is banished.
"its gates shall never be closed"Never again will access to God be restricted in any way. God not only will live with his people but he will be available to his people.
This is true even now, the gates are never closed to any sinner who repents.
Offered to Christ by Satan (Matthew 3), but taken by Christ through his death and resurrection.
Though this will be fully so in the Millennium and
Through the defilement of Sin.
"Abomination" in the OT usually has the sense of something that is demonic in its origin or operation.
Not what we would consider to be a cardinal sin, yet c/f 22:11,15. The thing with sin is it does not matter what sin we commit we will soon add lying to it to cover up our wrongdoing. The first step to stopping sinning is to stop lying, as it forces us to confront the reality and shame of our actions.